Monday, July 31

Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches. Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called. Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. - 1 Cor. 7:17-24 KJV

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Blogger itdoesnotmatterwhoiam said...

Have you ever heard of a troll?
go to dictionary.com

troll

v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To
utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase
"trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream
"trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a
likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post
that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look
even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to
the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate
troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See
also YHBT. 2. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1;
regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a
newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to
annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by
the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic
at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly
creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming
characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of
life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." 3.
[Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS
students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab
policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves
lurking in dark cavelike corners.

Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower
category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing
some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See
also Troll-O-Meter.



Source: Jargon File 4.2.0

10:19 PM  
Blogger itdoesn'tmatterwhoIam said...

Have you read article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights established by the United Nations? go to http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

5:24 PM  
Blogger Tomte said...

Hi, I haven't been by your blog in awhile. I'm glad to see you're posting.

I'm not so glad to see the uncharitable comments of some others.

It astounds me that some Laestadians would feel so threatened by your blog. Certainly you are free to express whatever you'd like. Any mature person realizes that you can speak for yourself as a Laestadian without speaking for anyone else.

Then again, having grown up Laestadian, I am not astounded. Most of us were gripped by such a spirit of fear that anything different was threatening. The rest were so in love with telling others how to live and lording it over others with their puffed up self-righteousness that they wouldn't want to see anyone thinking for themselves.

Ugh. This comment is starting to sound like more heat than light, so I think I'll take my own advice and shut up for awhile.

8:17 PM  
Blogger free2bme said...

Marcus, here's a high-five for keeping your dignity and calm throughout this storm of dissaproval and general nastiness. In being candid, in being yourself, you have broken a silent contract -- "the don't ask, don't tell" contract -- that keeps gays invisible in our society, especially in the church. There are some who would have you hide, as if you were a blemish on the body of Christ. You know differently. They don't, yet.

They caution you about "worldly" advice. Perhaps they mean well. But all advice, no matter the source, should be weighed against your own conscience. YOUR conscience. YOU have God written up on your heart.

Marcus, I suspect you are more robust than the average bear, with a solid sense of self-esteem and Blessed Assurance. That will serve you well. Nonetheless, I hope you are surrounding yourself with people who see Christ in you. Take care.

8:31 AM  
Blogger Alexandra said...

“GAY” IS NOT ACCORDING TO GOD’S WORD. It is not possible for one to be a believer, and to “be gay.” One may claim this to be true about oneself, but in God’s eyes the one who does this sins.
WE KNOW THAT THE BIBLE CONDEMNS HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR. For example: 1 Kings 14:24 “And there were also sodomites in the land: [and] they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.” And Deuteronomy 23:17 “There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.” And Leviticus 20:13 “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” And Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” And the story of Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:5): “And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.” Also, the story of the Sodomites in Judges 19:22: “Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.” In 1 Corinthians 6:9 we read “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind” and in 1 Timothy 1:10: “For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” These actions God condemns, as Jude 1:7 states “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”
BUT THE BIBLE ALSO CONDEMNS THE LUSTS WHICH GIVE BIRTH TO THE ACTIONS. In Romans 1:26-7 we read “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” But just before Paul wrote those words, he wrote this (Romans 1:21): “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations (διαλογισμος dialogismos), and their foolish heart was darkened.” Take heed especially of the last part of this, which declares that the imaginations of the heart were darkened. The actions followed. As we have learned from childhood, sin is “the falling away of the heart from God”; one who lusts after another of the same sex, or one anyone of the opposite sex to whom one is not married, sins.
Prophet Jeremiah called out (4:14): “O Jerusalem, wash thine heart from wickedness, that thou mayest be saved. How long shall thy vain thoughts lodge within thee?” He wished that they might put away those evil thoughts that they had. He also declared that God knew those sins of the heart, although no other could know see them: The sin of Judah is written with a pen of iron, and with the point of a diamond: it is graven upon the table of their heart, and upon the horns of your altars;” (Jeremiah 17:1)
And (17:5) he curses those whose hearts have fallen: “Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.” We find this teaching also in Ezekiel (11:21), where God declares that things detestable are found in the hearts of some: “But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord GOD. “ And Jesus taught in Matthew 15:19 “For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:” And said, that “These are the things which defile a man.” Again, the fall in the heart is what first defiles. Though the world teaches otherwise (Luke 16:15: “And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God”), we remember the familiar words of Matthew 5:28 “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” Christ here teaches about the longing for sinful sexual behavior, and declares this longing to be sin. We read in Acts 8:22: “Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.” Note here that the thought of the heart is something that needs to be forgiven. We would also do well to take heed of the teachings contained in this rather long text from Ephesians 4:17-24 “This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. But ye have not so learned Christ; If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: That ye put off concerning the former conversation (behavior) the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.” Note again here, that the understanding is darkened and then a blind heart, a heart that is “past feeling” goes over into working all uncleanness. This is the progression the devil drags us into. But Paul declares that this is not what we learn of Christ. And he repeats himself, that we put off the former behavior, which “is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts.” Returning to the first chapter of Romans we read the same—that the lusts of one’s heart lead to the acts of the body (1:24): “Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:”
1 John 3:20 teaches us “For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.” Thus, our hearts err, but God does not, nor does his Word, nor his Spirit in his congregation. “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” (Hebrews 4:12). These sins of the thoughts are familiar to all of us, and we find that we must run to the mercy seat and declare, “Lord, save us, we perish!” May God help us! May the Lord Jesus come soon to take us home away from this body of death!

11:53 PM  
Blogger Alexandra said...

Your quote here from Scripture, if it is to justify either thinking gay or being gay, is upsetting. But the chapter just previous to the one you quoted states clearly: “Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.” And “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.” Neither Christ, nor his kingdom, is found in the homosexual lifestyle, homosexual fantasies. Be not deceived, the Holy Spirit pleads!

12:08 AM  
Blogger Tomte said...

Alexandra, by claiming to speak for the Spirit with such certainty you blaspheme the Spirit, which is the one unforgiveable sin according to your Bible. See you in hell.

You obviously have no concept of sexual orientation, where one could have natural attractions to the same sex, even though (as I believe our blogger has stated here) one does not act on them.

Our blogger is saying that he does not do any of the things you torture Scripture to say are wrong. So even under your sick twisted understanding he has done no wrong. He's just saying that this is how he naturally is. You are distorting the Bible to make it say that merely by being this way he is not a Christian.

Well here's right back at ya, baby. The Bible says that we will know Christians by their love. I see nothing but hate coming from you, Alexandra, so until you show us otherwise I am forced to conclude that you work for Satan.

7:38 AM  
Blogger Alexandra said...

http://alexandrasuuri.blogspot.com/

I answered Tomte on the above.

10:10 PM  
Blogger Alexandra said...

Term Confusion II
“You obviously have no concept of sexual orientation, where one could have natural attractions to the same sex, even though (as I believe our blogger has stated here) one does not act on them.” --Tomte wrote this also to me

Again, the act and the lust for the act—both are sin.

Also, finely distinguishing among terms is not my gift. However, let me attempt. There are two ways in which the terms “gay” and “being gay” are being used here on these blogs. The one is the way in which I defined it (http://alexandrasuuri.blogspot.com/). The other is what I call the “Adam” way. Let me explain how I see this “Adam” way: if by “being gay” is meant “having the natural tendencies towards sin that all who are children of Adam have,” then it is true, that is not a “sin” in the sense we usually take the word “sin” because we cannot ever repent of our flesh and its desires. I would have made my flesh repent a thousand times decades ago if it were possible—“For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would” (Gal 5:17).

I think using the term “being gay” in the one sense at one time, and then in another at another time, is slippery. That is what prompted my post. If a man, as this young man (whom I love, and he knows I love him), is stating that he is “gay” in the sense that he has the natural tendencies towards sin that all the children of Adam have, being, as they are, corrupt and desperately wicked (Psalm 14, also Jeremiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked—who can know it?”), this is something we would never chastise him for. However, the way the word “gay” or “being gay” is used in the general public, is not this way. Thus, I believe it is fair to state that the blog “Gay Laestadian” and the things posted on it, could be taken by a great number of people, to mean that one who blogs on it is declaring that a thing which is sin, is not sin. But we want to know (Ezekiel 44:23) and flee sin, and fight against it, as Paul (Gal 5:16) teaches in that same letter: “This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.” If we put our sins away, we’ll make it to heaven. Then we will be like him for whom we wait—and he has no sin, and no corruption: “Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is” (1 John 3:2).
posted by Alexandra @ 9:57 PM 0 comments

On Speaking for the Spirit
“Alexandra, by claiming to speak for the Spirit with such certainty you blaspheme the Spirit, which is the one unforgiveable sin according to your Bible. See you in hell.”

The above was written to me by a certain “Tomte.”

First, if one faults me for “claiming to speak for the Spirit” the question could be asked of that one—for whom do you claim to speak? And if the answer is “the Spirit”, then both of us are “claiming to speak for the Spirit” (however I will clarify what I mean by that below). However, if the answer is “no, I claim to speak for myself” then we have these two things: the Spirit on the one side, and Tomte on the other.

As for “claiming to speak for the Spirit”—I do not, exactly “claim to speak for the Spirit.” However, if what I write or speak is according to God’s Word, then, yes, any who reads it or hears it, ought to take it as directly from the mouth of God Himself, just as if he sees a law on the books at the Supreme Court that says “Thou shalt not steal,” or something similar, he ought to say, “Amen.” However, if what I write or say does not answer to Scripture, then I would wish to be corrected. I would wish to be shown from Scripture where what I write or say is in error. But if what I speak or write is of the Spirit, then it is of the Spirit. If it is not of the Spirit, then it is false, and wicked, and may it be revealed unto me, that I could be corrected!

Thus, if Tomte could relate which bible portions he has in mind, it would be helpful. Because, “claiming to speak for the Spirit with such certainty” is exactly what Paul does: “my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power” (1 Cor).

This is how it has been since Adam: “Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth. For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. But they like men have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me. Gilead is a city of them that work iniquity, and is polluted with blood. And as troops of robbers wait for a man, so the company of priests murder in the way by consent: for they commit lewdness” (Hosea 6:5-9).

Tomte, all your sins can be forgiven. All of them.

10:12 PM  
Blogger free2bme said...

Oh, Alexandra. My heart breaks for you, because what you call love doesn't shine like love. It shines like pride.

Jesus was a rabbi; he knew scripture. So did the Pharisees. So do you. But what did Jesus emphasize? And they? And you?

Jesus didn't speak at all about homosexuality. Study his words. May He be your model, not Paul.

God's peace.

11:03 PM  
Blogger Tomte said...

Alexandra, I still see no evidence that you are a Christian at all. Try reading St. Paul sometime, he'll give you the job description:


Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Love never ends. But as for prophecies, they will come to an end; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will come to an end. For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part; but when the complete comes, the partial will come to an end. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways. For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known

9:06 PM  
Blogger mllc_teen said...

alex , this little video reminded me of your rant , mabee?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09OSmPYm6z4

10:57 PM  
Blogger il Coro said...

For what it's worth, I have read all of Markus' writings here, and have found nothing in what he has written that suggests to me that he is gay, except that he claims to be.

I don't see that having an attraction to persons of the same sex makes a person any more or less of a sinner or less deserving of grace than the man who has lust for women or hatred for another or muderous thoughts. We are all sinners in the same state, and we all have the same opportunity for grace. When you (assuming you are a man) have desires for a woman, does that make you a rapist? When you harbor a grudge against your neighbor, does that make you a murderer? When you go look to an actor or sports star for inspiration, does that make you an idol worshipper? If your answer to these is "no," then your answer to when you have lustful thoughts for other men, does that make you gay? must be "no."

It is when you let the flesh control the spirit, when you act on or cling to these thoughts and intents of the heart that you become separated from God. We must turn toward Christ and believe in the saving power of His work on the cross, and in so doing we turn away from any strength in sinful desires.

Is Markus really gay? I'm not convinced that he is. The sin that he feels in his flesh just happens to be different than the sins that you and I feel in our flesh.

8:29 AM  
Blogger Tomte said...

Il Coro, I think you are conflating lust and attraction, and I think it is worthwhile to draw a distinction between the two.

Just being attracted to someone, either of the opposite or the same sex is not lust. It is natural, and healthy.

Another way to look at what you're saying is to flip it around. I was a good Laestadian who followed all the rules. Because of this I didn't have sex until I was married --in my late 20s. Does that mean that I was not really heterosexual until I was in my late 20s? I don't think so! ;-)

It makes more sense to say that I was heterosexual all along because I had an attraction to the opposite sex --just like it makes sense for Markus to say that he's gay even if he isn't currently having sex with people of the same sex.

6:37 PM  
Blogger il Coro said...

"Just being attracted to someone, either of the opposite or the same sex is not lust. It is natural, and healthy."

Agreed.

I have a desire to smoke a cigar. Does that make me a smoker? (BTW, I have never used any tobacco products, ever. I might celebrate my 90th birthday with a big, fat cigar. It might kill me, but maybe the wait will have been worth it!)

7:54 PM  
Blogger a laestadian said...

First of all, thank you to Alexandra for what she's written.
Secondly, i encourage everyone to go to Alexandra's blog and read what darla wrote.
Thirdly, i find it funny that marcus doesn't bother to write ever in his blog. Only when someone needles him to. But whatever--no big deal.

12:50 PM  
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6:04 AM  
Blogger Ilmarinen said...

Alexandra, Laestadian, and like-minded people,

I understand that you consider homosexuality a sin. Do you understand that regardless of your convictions on this issue, there will still be homosexuals? Do you understand that those homosexuals often experience bullying, name-calling, and shunning? Do you oppose these actions? If so, what are you doing to fight them?

6:06 AM  
Blogger a laestadian said...

I can only answer for myself, but of COURSE I oppose those types of actions against homosexuals. I don't think that anyone was trying to dispute that there are homosexual people in this world, just as there are drunkards, just as there are prostitutes. Many chose to deny God and His word and live openly in sin. But as has been pointed out many times, here and elsewhere, God hates sin, but loves the sinner. God's word teaches us to approach all with love. (I'm sure Alexandra is much better than I at giving you a scripture reference). But it also says somewhere that His word is a two-edged sword. It either calls or it offends. It calls a person unto repentance when they hear God's word and are humbled, realize their sinfulness, and want to repent of it. It offends often, when it hits those ears and hearts that are closed and hardened to the truth. It offends those that are wounded by the truth in it and deny, deny, deny.
As far as what am I doing personally to fight bullying and name-calling and shunning? I do not partake in such actions and i regard those that DO such things as ignorant and wrong. I believe that some (not all, of course) that bully and shun and name-call are fearful and also have no knowledge of what they are shunning and "hating". Just as in any type of bullying, those types of actions are never of the Spirit, and are normally actions taken in fear. I think that all of us are guilty of that in one form or another. Not necessarily against the homosexual community, but against any person, or group or even "thing" which is unknown or new or strange to us.
Also an important part of scripture, "Love those that hate you, do good to them that despise you..." etc.

12:27 PM  
Blogger exfalc said...

"Many chose to deny God and His word and live openly in sin."

How do you know that?

Have you ever thought of the people in this world who never even knew that Christ exists? Do we judge their actions as a choice? Or do we realize that they have never known their could be a better life? Do all of the homosexuals, drunkards, and prostitutes CHOOSE their lifestyle? What about the children who are prostituted for profit? What they are doing is sin, but was it their choice? Our ideas are influence by what we see growing up. Laestadians are raised to think they are superior to all of those that suffer and struggle with things in their lives. For many in this world, it is a struggle to put food on the table. Do you think those people worry if someone has a TV in their house or if their cousin in wearing makeup?

Do laestadians do a good job of reaching out to those who are suffering? I think they do a better job of keeping those people out.

11:12 AM  
Blogger a laestadian said...

Do you really think that laestadians are immune from suffering and struggles? Hardly. Rich, poor, sick, healthy, you name it. The kingdom does not have boundaries there!
There are many, many believing families that struggle to put everyday bread on the table. And there are some that are blessed monitarily! We are each given our own trials and also blessings as God has seen fit.

God has made man in His own image. Humans are different from all other animals in that one respect--we have a living soul. That living soul was made in the image of God. He has also given each person a concience. Each and every baby is born a believer, a pure child of God. But when that child is not born to a believing home, that concience is not nurtured and cared for with the gospel, and therefore, eventually hardens to sin. God's hope is that all would make it to heaven. The evil that happens here on earth is not done it God's name. It is Satan at work. This is earth, NOT Heaven! Life on earth is corrupt and inperfect. Life in Heaven is perfect.
As far as someone worrying about TV or makeup, it doesn't matter what ones own trials are, but when you see your brother or sister fall, you would want to be your brother's keeper, and rebuke them. That is what we all need in this life to help us get to heaven.
Does any one of us do a good job in reaching out to others? You pick on one specific group of people. I cannot speak for all, but i would say that that is not a thing to be labled onto a group of people (just as other's have pointed out about labeling the homosexual community certain ways). That is something that is individual. Besides, many chose to help anonymously and give the glory and thanks to God and not themselves. This is very common.
To me you sound very bitter...I hope i am wrong and that you are not.

9:08 PM  
Blogger exfalc said...

You gotta watch the movie posted by someone earlier. If I am bitter, its about being brought up with the attitudes seen in that movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09OSmPYm6z4

Once you leave a laestadian based church, you will never go back and your eyes will be opened to how closed in and cult-like the church is. You do not leave your faith...actually, you FIND IT.

2:32 PM  
Blogger a laestadian said...

exfalc, i watched the video. That was a Baptist woman, i believe. I don't know what church you went to or which sect you belonged to, but i sure have never heard that sort of speech or teaching from the church that i go to. Your screen name says falc, so i assume that means first apostolic lutheran. I belong to the LLC, and i would encourage you to listen to those sermons, if you do not take me at my word that that type of teaching is not from my faith. Go to www.laestadianlutheran.org

From there you can find archived sermons.
All Alexandra did was quote scripture, the word of God. It makes me draw the conclusion that it pricked your concience and also that of mllcteen if that is how you viewed it, to draw parallels to that video.

8:37 AM  
Blogger a laestadian said...

I also find it interesting that you could not find anything wrong in what i said previous, but instead wanted to reiterate a negative and evil parallel. Everything i said in 2:27pm and 11:08pm is contrary to what that video portrayed.
I encourage you again to go to laestadianlutheran.org and listen to some of the archived sermons.

9:44 AM  
Blogger exllc said...

Why would anyone want to listen to the Laestadian sermons. You are not the "only" true christians in this world. What vanity! 99 percent of this world hasn't even heard of your church. So what are the people in 3rd world countries supposed to do, hop on their camel and search for the Laestadian church so they can have their sins forgiven? What a joke, jump into reality.

9:59 AM  
Blogger anotherlaestadian said...

Ummm...exllc, did you pay attention to the previous entries.. like the one posted by "exfalc" claiming that he/she was brought up with the attitudes found in a movie on YouTube.. to which "a laestadian" responded that he/she believed was a Baptist woman speaking on this movie, explaining that in our church there is not that type of speech or teaching. Then he/she says, "If you do not take me for my word that that type of teaching is not from my faith, go to..." and gives the site in which to find archived sermons from our church. He/she was simply stating that we do not believe the way this mllc.teen and exfalc are claiming we do, not trying to stuff our doctrine down any unwilling throats. Basically just saying, be a little more informed before making such statements. It's a little amusing to see how so many of you, when unable to do any better, will just sidestep a little and take another stab, even though, as in this instance, you weren't even paying attention to what "a laestadian" was trying to say. Also, for your information, there are people in 3rd world countries that have, in different ways, found faith and are now believing, along with hundreds of others in their countries. These are people who have sought out faith, we haven't sought them out. God is all-powerful and does have that ability to awaken consciences even to those who go by camel.. underestimating God's power is a bit shameful! It is in fact God's Word, not ours, that faith is based on and to think you feel that God isn't able to reach anyone anywhere is a bit surprising!

1:26 AM  
Blogger exllc said...

I do believe God's word can travel anywhere, I just don't believe that God is only present amongst the Laestadians. His love is not exclusive to one group of people. I have a very strong faith with God, it's personal. And I can't agree that you can say your faith is any more real or better than mine. He is in my heart, he guides me, I love and trust in HIM. Simple as that. I am sorry this site has gotten to be a battle ground about religion and I didn't mean to upset anyone, it just makes me upset to see people claiming their faith is the only true faith, especially when this site is intended for Markus, to help and support him, not to battle religious beliefs. God comes to all who call on him, he helps all who knock on his door. He doesn't just come to those who are Laestadians, I have seen the light, it's very bright, and it is just sad that you will not open your heart up to it. It's so ingrained in your mind that your beliefs are the only ones. Its absurd. But enough, thats all I will say.

8:54 AM  
Blogger exllc said...

I do believe God's word can travel anywhere, I just don't believe that God is only present amongst the Laestadians. His love is not exclusive to one group of people. I have a very strong faith with God, it's personal. And I can't agree that you can say your faith is any more real or better than mine. He is in my heart, he guides me, I love and trust in HIM. Simple as that. I am sorry this site has gotten to be a battle ground about religion and I didn't mean to upset anyone, it just makes me upset to see people claiming their faith is the only true faith, especially when this site is intended for Markus, to help and support him, not to battle religious beliefs. God comes to all who call on him, he helps all who knock on his door. He doesn't just come to those who are Laestadians, I have seen the light, it's very bright, and it is just sad that you will not open your heart up to it. It's so ingrained in your mind that your beliefs are the only ones. Its absurd. But enough, thats all I will say.

8:56 AM  
Blogger exllc said...

I do believe God's word can travel anywhere, I just don't believe that God is only present amongst the Laestadians. His love is not exclusive to one group of people. I have a very strong faith with God, it's personal. And I can't agree that you can say your faith is any more real or better than mine. He is in my heart, he guides me, I love and trust in HIM. Simple as that. I am sorry this site has gotten to be a battle ground about religion and I didn't mean to upset anyone, it just makes me upset to see people claiming their faith is the only true faith, especially when this site is intended for Markus, to help and support him, not to battle religious beliefs. God comes to all who call on him, he helps all who knock on his door. He doesn't just come to those who are Laestadians, I have seen the light, it's very bright, and it is just sad that you will not open your heart up to it. It's so ingrained in your mind that your beliefs are the only ones. Its absurd. But enough, thats all I will say.

8:58 AM  
Blogger 18yearoldlaestadian said...

Markus, When I found your site, it brought tears to my eyes, why would this type of site be connected to the LLC, I pray that God would open your eyes and help to remain believing!!! Much love-

3:58 AM  

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